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"In fact, the only "objective" source is the occasional leak or analytical assessments done by professional organizations such as Rand Corporation." Um, just to be clear, you believe Rand Corp is objective?

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Hi there, Stephen,

Thanks for this paper, which may prove a good cause for discussion. Allow me to believe you wrote it in part to respond to my comments under the previous paper.

I'll first address the issue of your sources. Then in a follow-up comment I'll address other points you make.

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So, let me start by pointing out issues with your sources:

1) the X source is inaccessible. Maybe because I'm not an X user, maybe because the post was removed. I wouldn't know. But there's nothing I can consult.

2) The Russian source is... well, a Russian source. And it provides no beginning of a trace of any evidence whatsoever. It's 100% unsupported claim.

3) the Facebook source is 100% a repeat of the Russian unsupported claim, with an added photo that does not seem to picture French soldiers, and whose location and date are unknown. Most probably a picture taken from the vastness of the interweb...

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So, what we have here, is called an echo chamber. Some "information" appears out of the blue, it is unconfirmed and unsupported by anything solid, but it is repeated on various platforms, so as to appear like some people give it credibility. And maybe they do. But only based on their own personal feelings.

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A word on the French source, Le Courrier des Stratèges. A funny source. The man who runs it sometimes provides interesting analyses, and I kind of like his anti-NATO stance. But as a matter of fact, he often makes wild claims that prove wrong in the end, and he does not ever get privileged information.

And what is his paper telling us? Well... nothing much really. It reads :

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"Has Emmanuel Macron decided to have the elite of our amies destroyed - all that is left, in fact, of what was once a military tool of the prime order ? Have about a hundred men from the Foreign Legion arrived in Slaviansk a few days ago? Worse, have they been eliminated on the morning of Monday 15th April in a Russian strike? If the information were to be verified in the coming weeks, it would signify an unprecedented scandal. But maybe it is only an information fabricated by the Russian side, as part of psychological warfare, to warn decision-makers around a seemingly unpredictable Macron. In both cases, one understands that far from being an opportunity to become aware of our armed forces' weakening - down to a few elite regiments - the Ukraine War is taking French political power ever further down in the destruction of our military asset."

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Do you see it, Stephen? Let me spell it out for everyone: your French source is merely quoting your Russian source that had no shred of evidence about anything, and he's doing so with big question marks so as to not place himself in a position where he could be sued under French law for spreading lies. He does not know whether French soldiers ever were in Slaviansk, and even less so whether they were killed there.

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Stephen, let us please come to our senses: there is nothing to these claims. Nothing at all. It's not that I'm against any of it, really. I'm only trying to carry out some proper discourse analysis, and as a matter of fact: THERE IS NOTHING IN THOSE CLAIMS THAT EVEN REMOTELY SMELLS LIKE A VERIFIABLE FACT!!!

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Furthermore, your entire discourse relies on a massive mistake you''re still making about the French Legion, despite my previous explanations. You assume that the French legion is a tool that could be deployed in Ukraine if France or her President wanted to carry out operations there without leading to war with Russia. As you wrote in your previous paper, and I feel here you are still following the same line, you believe the Foreign Legion to be some kind of a non-governmental paramilitary asset.... I'm familiar with the idea, I here sometimes prominent commenters from the US even compare the French Legion to Wagner...

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But here's the thing, Stephen: the Foreign Legion is a regular unit of the French Army. If it were deployed in Ukraine, especially for combat missions, Russians would be perfectly legitimate to treat France as a direct part in this war... As with any other unit of the French military... You see, it is common for the US Army to hire non-US citizens, is it not? Well, in the French Army, that's strictly forbidden, except in the one unit called the Foreign Legion. But that is the only specificity of the Foreign Legion compared to the rest of the French military: it accepts foreigners... For the rest, it is entirely part of the French military's chain of command, which starts with the Head of State and goes down via the Joint Chief of Staff, the chiefs of staff of each of the three services, down to divisions, brigades, and regiments...

If the French Foreign Legion were in Ukraine, don't you think Russians would have so much more to gain from bringing evidence of it, than from killing them from afar with glide bombs?

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