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I am surprised that you take the General's plan seriously.

I am also surprised you seem to not know Russia's intentions and what they consider their bottom line, given that each time Russia increases their demands, they announce it in many forums that appear in translation in US media, repeatedly.

I understand that many in the US believe that Russia never defends its Red Lines because of Biden propaganda. Perhaps the Kellogg Plan sounds possible because of "hope" and because Americans tend to ignore the public opinion within Russia, where ~1000 people volunteer for Military service, daily, and have been doing so for much more than a year. For comparison, the US Navy operations are restricted because it is under-manned and there are plenty MSM stories about having to restart the Draft and that the Pentagon is considering reducing troops strength, for lack of qualified applicants. Few NATO combat troops from other countries exist (other than in Turkey) and Russia has explicitly warned that, if they were deployed in Ukraine, they would become priority targets.

Ignoring territorial demands, I will mention Russia's NO NATO Red Line demand, which the Kellogg plan explicitly ignores. Perhaps you do not construe NATO members troops controlling or stationed in parts of Ukraine as NATO control as NATO. Russia does. It would put NATO countries within easy striking distance of what Russia considers part of Russian. If Russia ends up with the land it occupies today, it will not tolerate any NATO troops or installations in what is left of Ukraine. And it will require that the newly redrawn Ukraine military is limited in size. How till it do that under the Kellogg Plan? Of course, they are incompatible.

Russia says they will not accept this. And given that they are WINNING, why should they?

Using your WW2 partition of Berlin example:

Germany was the loser and had no choice but to accept the loss of some parts of Germany and the partition of Berlin, as you know. That the US got the Berlin golf course and the other victors did not, was the result of Eisenhower's love of golf and a negotiation between the VICTORS.

Russia has demands as the Victor and if its NATO opponents, part of the LOSING coalition who have financed, planned, directed and partly staffed the war, are not ready to concede that Russia is the Victor, I am afraid the world will have to deal with the war continuing.

This will cost Russia but it will be a greater cost in attrition of Ukrainians and NATO manpower, as well as to the NATO treasuries and economies, as well as their stocks of war materials and equipment.

There has been a logical reason why General Kellogg was not the envoy to discuss things with the Russian. There seems to be little reason why the General could not have happily worked for President Biden, who promised more war and the fantasy that the US would win.

I recall President Trump promising to end the war. I recall that being well-received by the voters, who were not in favor of spending $100s of Billions more to continue to try (in the losing attempt to) prop up an undemocratic Banderite regime and achieve the American goal of Russian regime change and dismemberment.

Feral Finster's avatar

Permitting NATO troops in Ukraine would only serve as a shield behind which Ukrainians (or "Ukrainians") could take free pot shots at Russia, then invoke Article 5 if Russia responds.

Anyway, the endgame is far from near. The only reason Trump has not escalated already is because of the desire to put the War On Russia on pause so that NATO can prioritize the War On Iran.

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