Iran didn't lose its air defenses because of the Israeli use of F-35s.
They lost them for 8 hours because of Israeli sabotage. Once their air defenses were back up they were able before the jets entered Iran airspace to ping the F-35s letting them know they could see them and would shoot them down.
That is why the Israeli on their second run at Iran stayed outside of Iran's borders and why their second assualt which they had bragged would destroy Iran was basically a nothing burger. Iranian, Russian and probably Chinese air defences can all detect F-35s. It's stealth capability mechanisms have been identified and now the jets can be targeted.
Israel used drones, not F-35s, according to sources. In June these media sources reported that Mossad agents set up a drone base on Iranian soil near Tehran. The drones were activated overnight, striking surface-to-surface missile launchers aimed at Israel.
As an American that opposed Iraq from day 1 my takeaway from our bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities is…how cheap and easy it was! So in 2003 Bush made the case for war based on Iraq having a nuclear weapons program and so apparently he rejected the option of simply bombing Iraq’s nuclear facilities…he chose an invasion of the country! Hmmmmm. It’s almost like we invaded Iraq for reasons other than degrading their WMD capabilities??? 😉
No, it was oil. Iraq posed zero threat to Israel as we had degraded their air power in 1991 and then we enforced a no-fly zone for over a decade along with sanctions. So believe it or not Republicans would argue sanctions were killing babies and so we had no choice but to invade in order to remove not just Saddam but also sanctions!! Republicans were worried about Iraqi babies which is why we invaded!! 😂
No, Iran has always been the biggest threat to Israel…so Iran had a nuclear program and so if Israel controlled Bush he would have invaded Iran instead of just the tough talk against them. And one of Bush’s top military advisers even said what would make us engage militarily with Iran would be if they disrupted the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz….so it’s all about oil.
"This law [Qualitative Military Edge (QME)] requires the President to assess and ensure that any potential arms sales to other countries in the region do not adversely affect Israel’s QME."
It astounds me that as quick as the US is to declare other countries a threat, they have no qualms at all about giving US sovereignty away to Israel.
To actually create a law that ties your own hands and prevents you from acting unilaterally when it's in your country's best interests, is best described as grovelling.
Did you know that since 2024 US citizens who go and fight in the IDF are now in a Bill to give them US military benefits??
We have US vets sleeping in the streets, many need physical and mental health services, and they are denied them by the VA. Yet clowns who go to fight for a genocidial, apartheid nation get full benefits.
H.R. 8445, introduced in 2024 hasnt gone anywhere. US citizens serving in the IDF could be treated similarly to US service members for certain narrow purposes. Specifically, the bill would extend protections under USERRA (Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act), which helps service members get their civilian jobs back after service. SCRA (Servicemembers Civil Relief Act) which offers certain legal/financial protections while on active duty (e.g., stay of foreclosure proceedings)
What It Does Not Do (Despite social media bullshit). No eligibility for VA (Veterans Affairs) health care, disability payments, pension or “veteran” benefits.
Back in the 80’s the US sold F-15’s to Saudi Arabia, which Israel was unhappy about. They managed to block the sale of conformal drop tanks on the premise that these would allow a Saudi strike on Israel. Later on Saudi F-15’s had drop tanks - made by IAF in Israel …. !
Of course everybody knows that Israel will not pay for these extra jets themselves...
As to the potential for an information leak, I am convinced that information cannot be bottled up in today's world (of course that does not mean that one has to open the sluice gates)
The more logical explanation is that Israel does not want any F-35's in the region, except for its own.
This is an excellent breakdown of why the F-35 sale to Saudi Arabia is anything but guaranteed. One additional factor worth considering is the emerging Pakistan–Saudi defense alignment. If Riyadh deepens cooperation with Islamabad whose own military ecosystem is closely intertwined with China, it could heighten US fears that F-35 technologies might indirectly flow into the PLA’s hands. That makes DIA’s concerns even more salient.
In many ways, Washington is learning that its old assumptions about Gulf loyalty no longer hold in a multipolar world. Major arms deals now sit at the intersection of US-China competition, regional realignment and the slow erosion of American leverage in the Middle East.
Iran didn't lose its air defenses because of the Israeli use of F-35s.
They lost them for 8 hours because of Israeli sabotage. Once their air defenses were back up they were able before the jets entered Iran airspace to ping the F-35s letting them know they could see them and would shoot them down.
That is why the Israeli on their second run at Iran stayed outside of Iran's borders and why their second assualt which they had bragged would destroy Iran was basically a nothing burger. Iranian, Russian and probably Chinese air defences can all detect F-35s. It's stealth capability mechanisms have been identified and now the jets can be targeted.
Iranian air space was penetrated by Israeli recon and strike drones , some likely launched from
Azerbaijan and others from within Iran. I have seen no evidence of F-35’s in Iranian air space
They didn't, on the second Israeli mission to attack Iran they used F 35s, but did not enter Iran airspace, they did fire on Iran from Iraqi airspace.
They seem to have flown with impunity where they wanted to.
I am not aware of any technical evidence of F-35's in Iranian air space, but I would welcome evidence of it.
Israel used drones, not F-35s, according to sources. In June these media sources reported that Mossad agents set up a drone base on Iranian soil near Tehran. The drones were activated overnight, striking surface-to-surface missile launchers aimed at Israel.
Found these:
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/iran-claims-shooting-down-2-israeli-f-35s/
https://nypost.com/2024/10/27/world-news/israel-used-us-made-f-35-stealth-fighters-in-its-largest-ever-strike-on-iran-report/
earlier intrusion
https://christianbaghai.medium.com/the-stealth-game-changer-israels-f-35-penetration-of-iran-s-airspace-4e19b9c48fe8
As an American that opposed Iraq from day 1 my takeaway from our bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities is…how cheap and easy it was! So in 2003 Bush made the case for war based on Iraq having a nuclear weapons program and so apparently he rejected the option of simply bombing Iraq’s nuclear facilities…he chose an invasion of the country! Hmmmmm. It’s almost like we invaded Iraq for reasons other than degrading their WMD capabilities??? 😉
It appears the real reason to invade Iraq was to weaken the country for our parasite buddy Israel.
The plan, according to General Westly Clark, was to start with Iraq, followed by Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and conclude with Iran.
And here we are. Will we attack Iran again, sure why not, it's not like we have a mind of our own is it???
No, it was oil. Iraq posed zero threat to Israel as we had degraded their air power in 1991 and then we enforced a no-fly zone for over a decade along with sanctions. So believe it or not Republicans would argue sanctions were killing babies and so we had no choice but to invade in order to remove not just Saddam but also sanctions!! Republicans were worried about Iraqi babies which is why we invaded!! 😂
That certainly is a valid argument:
https://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/when-the-friend-turns-foe-1552591
Yet it was only another bead on the string of reasons why; the big reason was because Saddam was supporting Palestine.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm
No, Iran has always been the biggest threat to Israel…so Iran had a nuclear program and so if Israel controlled Bush he would have invaded Iran instead of just the tough talk against them. And one of Bush’s top military advisers even said what would make us engage militarily with Iran would be if they disrupted the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz….so it’s all about oil.
Maybe so, not doubting it is possible; but if they have always been the biggest, why are they the last to be attacked?
"This law [Qualitative Military Edge (QME)] requires the President to assess and ensure that any potential arms sales to other countries in the region do not adversely affect Israel’s QME."
It astounds me that as quick as the US is to declare other countries a threat, they have no qualms at all about giving US sovereignty away to Israel.
To actually create a law that ties your own hands and prevents you from acting unilaterally when it's in your country's best interests, is best described as grovelling.
(Edited)The US is a pathetic survile nation.
Did you know that since 2024 US citizens who go and fight in the IDF are now in a Bill to give them US military benefits??
We have US vets sleeping in the streets, many need physical and mental health services, and they are denied them by the VA. Yet clowns who go to fight for a genocidial, apartheid nation get full benefits.
Sick.Sick. Sick.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
H.R. 8445, introduced in 2024 hasnt gone anywhere. US citizens serving in the IDF could be treated similarly to US service members for certain narrow purposes. Specifically, the bill would extend protections under USERRA (Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act), which helps service members get their civilian jobs back after service. SCRA (Servicemembers Civil Relief Act) which offers certain legal/financial protections while on active duty (e.g., stay of foreclosure proceedings)
What It Does Not Do (Despite social media bullshit). No eligibility for VA (Veterans Affairs) health care, disability payments, pension or “veteran” benefits.
Thank you for correcting me, it was my understanding that it had passed.
Back in the 80’s the US sold F-15’s to Saudi Arabia, which Israel was unhappy about. They managed to block the sale of conformal drop tanks on the premise that these would allow a Saudi strike on Israel. Later on Saudi F-15’s had drop tanks - made by IAF in Israel …. !
"assuming it can finance the increase"
Well written.
Of course everybody knows that Israel will not pay for these extra jets themselves...
As to the potential for an information leak, I am convinced that information cannot be bottled up in today's world (of course that does not mean that one has to open the sluice gates)
The more logical explanation is that Israel does not want any F-35's in the region, except for its own.
This is an excellent breakdown of why the F-35 sale to Saudi Arabia is anything but guaranteed. One additional factor worth considering is the emerging Pakistan–Saudi defense alignment. If Riyadh deepens cooperation with Islamabad whose own military ecosystem is closely intertwined with China, it could heighten US fears that F-35 technologies might indirectly flow into the PLA’s hands. That makes DIA’s concerns even more salient.
In many ways, Washington is learning that its old assumptions about Gulf loyalty no longer hold in a multipolar world. Major arms deals now sit at the intersection of US-China competition, regional realignment and the slow erosion of American leverage in the Middle East.