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Pete Shramko's avatar

I’ve read contradicting reports as to how effective the Israeli F-35 raid really was. The initial raid - led by F-35 fighters - seems to have done very little damage and the pilots of that first line of attack pulled back rather abruptly based on them getting “painted” by Russian radar far further afield than they expected. They, in turn, warned their commanders that the massive attack that was to follow had to be called off due to Russian detection and radar lock-on.

One thing that’s irrefutable is the fact that Israel’s last raid on Iran was little more than farce that destroyed nothing of value.

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Richard Roskell's avatar

Despite searching for it, I'm not aware of any independently reported evidence that supports Mr. Bryen's claim about the F35's stealth capabilities. The example he cites, Israel's attack on Iran on October 26, has produced zero publicly revealed evidence of damage. Zero publicly available evidence isn't proof that no damage was caused, but it is nevertheless very telling in this instance.

Both Israel and the USA have spy satellites over Iran, and significant damage would be impossible to conceal. And neither Israel nor the USA are shy about trumpeting their military successes. So where is the evidence that Iranian territory was penetrated by F35s due to their stealth capabilities? To my knowledge that evidence doesn't exist.

The current state-of-the-art with stealth aircraft is as follows.

1. Stealth technology can mask an aircraft's radar and infrared signatures, but not eliminate them.

2. Stealth technology is most effective against older and less sophisticated aircraft defence systems.

3. The ability of stealth aircraft to evade detection by modern AD systems, which are specifically designed to detect stealth, is unknown.

It won't be just the general public that's in the dark about the effectiveness of stealth against modern AD. That ignorance will exist in military circles as well. The reason is simple: modern AD and stealth aircraft are fielded by very few countries, and those countries are not currently in direct conflict. So there's no real world evidence either way. However based on the publicly known information provided above, it's reasonable to assume that stealth aircraft are not fully invisible to modern AD systems. There will be, in all likelihood, some risk of detection and subsequent destruction of the aircraft.

What evidence presently supports that assumption? The simple fact that if F35s were truly stealthy, then Israel would've used them to drop bombs on Iran. But that's not what's been reported, even by those most interested in talking up the F35's capabilities.

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