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Jeroen's avatar

Hitler lost the war in 1943 but it lasted another 2 years. So did Ukraine, they lost 2 years ago but you have to go to the end. Ukraine has ceased to exist as a country. It's economy is gone, it's population is gone, the moment the moneys stops flowing everything collapse. Who's going to rebuild Ukraine with a hostile government maybe fighting a terrorist war against Russia? Ukraine has no future with NATO or the EU. It would be best that a large part of Ukraine joins Russia, what's left can be a neutral part. If there's a mobilization I guess it would be for Odessa. When Donbass falls the road is open to take the left bank. Only thing left is Odessa. Currently NATO, US and EU is in no position to make threats to Russia. A threat as bluff because they have nothing left. After everything that has happened I don't think Russia give a damn about the west anymore. Whatever the reason was it reeks of desperation.

m droy's avatar

Never mind what Russia wants, there is no return to normality in Ukraine while the state is run by a group hostile to Russia. No one wll invest there and no sane Ukrainian woman will allow their son or husband to return.

Only those parts taken by Russia (or Poland, Hungary or Romania) have any future unless there are elections which result in a Russia friendly parliament and President.

Of course this is not what US want, least of all what the CIA wants, - they would be happy with a forever war.

I cn't help thinking that this is about Iran where a solution is far more feasible, albeit only at the cost of facing down Israel.

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