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I think we are kidding ourselves if we think the dam destruction was caused by floating landmines. The video shows a large blast followed quickly by two secondary blasts. Yes it is possible, but so is a lightening strike.

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The problem I have with floating mines is how did they find the center, unless they were under control which means they were guided

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Nonsense. It was Kremlin 101 -- designed to thwart Ukraine's counteroffensive in the south and blame Ukraine for "barbarity".

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Jun 8, 2023·edited Jun 8, 2023

I guess anything is possible. In German we say, one has seen horses puke. However, looking at other historic dam failures, it is unlikely that only the upper portion stays effected. The grinding of the enormous floods will create a deep canal. We see failure in the middle at the gates, on the generator houses, and the entire south side at the ship lock is also gone now, and probably was not concreted. The lake will have a small fraction left once it drained mostly around some watering holes that lay deeper. The much bigger question for me whether this was a concerted nation state act, or whether some more-or-less independent group as we have seen on the Wagner rumors from May that the Washington Post reported on providing position data about the Russian military to the Ukrainians, or even what we see in Belgorod or with North Stream. Where we are at wild speculations, also possible that the dam was mined, just like many other structures in the war zone right now, and some guard was taking a cigarette break - David Spade in the movie Joe Dirt comes to mind....

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Obviously, you try to sell conspiracy theories for your own ego or benefit. Shameful.

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It's probably best to go with the engineers on this one rather than anonymous Russian milbloggers. NYT study shows Russia almost certainly blew up the dam, which was the most obvious explanation from the start.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html

I read this whole post and still don't understand your argument.

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Floating mines are way too little to damage such a damn. Nonsense. Same for a HIMARS strike. It was an explosion from inside with an amount of explosives that ukrainian combat divers could never bring in. It was was the Russians.

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My thoughts too....this flooding is worth many more billions of US dollars to be corrupted and stolen far beyond any FEMA payments here in the US...and of course there will be moneys paid out to people not living in the region too....and of course a replacement dam paid by the US will be more billions paid to corrupt politicians.

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Good write up. The whodunit question may be answered by another: who benefits? Your post posits this clearly: Ukraine most likely is guilty in order to damage the nuke plant and maybe hinder a Russia counter offensive.

Simplicius has videos from downstream of the dam showing explosions on the water (after the dam let go). Funny thing is that the videos did not have the incoming whoosh of a motar, missile, or bomb; nor a single frame showing a projectile. A going theory is that floating mines were used. This would explain the damage to the top portion and resultant subsurface explosions in the video.

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