Kursk did exactly what it was intended to do which is change the narrative from Ukrainian defeat to Russian incompetence, with victory coming if we can just get one more intervention, one more aid package, one no-fly zone.
Kursk did exactly what it was intended to do which is change the narrative from Ukrainian defeat to Russian incompetence, with victory coming if we can just get one more intervention, one more aid package, one no-fly zone.
They sucked in how many Ukrainian brigades so they could destroy them. It's not about territory, it's about eliminating the Ukrainian army as an effective fighting force.
I think most people will agree that, on Russian territory with a stalled advance, the Ukrainian options are dig in or retreat or bring up reinforcements.
Perhaps others are already asking why you're making an ass of yourself.
I doubt that Ukraine "accomplished what the attack was intended to do." Ukraine failed to reach the nearby nuclear power plant and gas pumping station, and it's hard to imagine that neither one was a target.
Furthermore, at this point in the war, with Ukraine's increasing manpower shortage, the number of casualties Ukraine has been taking is an important measure of the success of their incursion. Furthermore, can they extricate themselves without getting mauled?
Another measure of the success of their operation is the extent to which it alleviated pressure elsewhere along the line of contact. Still waiting on that one.
We have no proof it was deliberately ignored. The fact their juicy pre-attack troop concentrations were not attacked with missiles suggests it was missed.
Bottom line is this was an innovative move by the Ukies/NATO and an embarrassment for Russia.
Theoretically this _could_ be a very smart move by the Russians, luring the best Ukie units into a trap. But the chaotic and unprepared response from the Russians suggests they weren't prepared for springing some trap. Similarly there is no breakthrough on any other part of the front trying to profit from the best Ukie units being absent.
The 17 American intelligence agencies are very good at making reliable intel into Swiss cheese for purposes very similar to those of any other group of spooks. If NATO sponsored the incursion, Putin might just exhibiting his extravagant tolerance in lieu of keeping his promise to launch WW3.
That's the theory: In both cases it was deliberate, with foreknowledge of the coming attack. Israel used the Palestinian attack to move the people to support ethnic cleansing in Gaza. We shall see what Russia's leaders push their people to support now.
The gargantuan fuckup was MANUFACTURED by the Obama-Biden Administration :
"An explosive New York Times expos├й by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA тАЬforward operating basesтАЭ along UkraineтАЩs border with Russia, began not with RussiaтАЩs 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.
Within days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a тАЬthree-way partnershipтАЭ with the CIA and MI6, the UKтАЩs foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including тАЬsecret documents about the Russian Navy,тАЭ leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units."
You know the CIA and its Mockingbird Media aka the SEE BS Network keep telling us that the Vlad is a madman.
If that's true , what are we poking the Russian bear?
Luckily , the opposite is true . He is cool, calm and collected.
After Obama's CIA invaded Ukraine in December 2013 , he calmly reminded the EU and the West for 8 - EIGHT LONG YEARS - that the Minsk agreement required Ukraine to be a NEUTRAL BUFFER ZONE
We have Victoria Nuland on tape stating "FUCK THE MINSK I and II Agreements - the US is not a signatory"
EVERYONE - but the CIA and Mitch McConnell's RINO warmonger-neocrazy squad understand that winning a nuclear WW3 would be a pyrrhic victory.
It appears that the brain dead sons of bitches are OK losing 1/2 the US population.
Kursk did exactly what it was intended to do which is change the narrative from Ukrainian defeat to Russian incompetence, with victory coming if we can just get one more intervention, one more aid package, one no-fly zone.
I don't think it was incompetence. The Russian command ignored the threat.
Ok, they let Ukraine score an easy propaganda victory and made themselves look stupid.
Sounds pretty incompetent.
They sucked in how many Ukrainian brigades so they could destroy them. It's not about territory, it's about eliminating the Ukrainian army as an effective fighting force.
If they were on the ball, they could have destroyed them without the "sucking in".
It's just cope, I am sorry to say.
No they couldn't. In this new age of drone warfare, dispersal of forces is becoming routine.
I said more in this reply:
https://weapons.substack.com/p/the-kursk-gamble/comment/64986369
So they can't disperse right now, lol.
I think most people will agree that, on Russian territory with a stalled advance, the Ukrainian options are dig in or retreat or bring up reinforcements.
Perhaps others are already asking why you're making an ass of yourself.
As I said, even if Ukraine were to retreat now, they have accomplished what the attack was intended to do.
Feral Finster,
I doubt that Ukraine "accomplished what the attack was intended to do." Ukraine failed to reach the nearby nuclear power plant and gas pumping station, and it's hard to imagine that neither one was a target.
Furthermore, at this point in the war, with Ukraine's increasing manpower shortage, the number of casualties Ukraine has been taking is an important measure of the success of their incursion. Furthermore, can they extricate themselves without getting mauled?
Another measure of the success of their operation is the extent to which it alleviated pressure elsewhere along the line of contact. Still waiting on that one.
Ukraine has already changed the narrative from impending defeat to Russian incompetence.
And we've been "waiting on that one" for over two years now.
Isn't ignoring a threat incompetence?
Ignoring is a deliberate act, missing is not.
We have no proof it was deliberately ignored. The fact their juicy pre-attack troop concentrations were not attacked with missiles suggests it was missed.
Bottom line is this was an innovative move by the Ukies/NATO and an embarrassment for Russia.
Your last sentence is probably exactly what the Russians want you to believe, Putin being an accomplished practitioner of judo.
Theoretically this _could_ be a very smart move by the Russians, luring the best Ukie units into a trap. But the chaotic and unprepared response from the Russians suggests they weren't prepared for springing some trap. Similarly there is no breakthrough on any other part of the front trying to profit from the best Ukie units being absent.
Sometimes a fuckup is just a fuckup.
The 17 American intelligence agencies are very good at making reliable intel into Swiss cheese for purposes very similar to those of any other group of spooks. If NATO sponsored the incursion, Putin might just exhibiting his extravagant tolerance in lieu of keeping his promise to launch WW3.
Reacting to every threat would be incompetent. There are countless threats, many of which are just diversions meant to manipulate.
Would NATO miss Russia responding with tactical nukes?
Are you saying the Russians did the same thing in Kursk that the IDF did on 10/7?
Geez, I thought you were kidding, but I guess not.
I'm just as serious as Netanyahu is.
That's the theory: In both cases it was deliberate, with foreknowledge of the coming attack. Israel used the Palestinian attack to move the people to support ethnic cleansing in Gaza. We shall see what Russia's leaders push their people to support now.
There is no ethnic cleaning in Gaza.
It is just standard genocide, like the Holocaust and the Holodomor.
Just like Dick Cheney staged 9/11 to move Americans to attack Iraq, killing a million innocent unarmed non-combatants.
Russian missile destroys Ukrainian command post at Kursk тАУ MOD (VIDEO)
https://www.rt.com/russia/602423-russia-destroy-ukraine-command-post/
Good. Glad Russia is getting something out of this fuckup.
The gargantuan fuckup was MANUFACTURED by the Obama-Biden Administration :
"An explosive New York Times expos├й by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA тАЬforward operating basesтАЭ along UkraineтАЩs border with Russia, began not with RussiaтАЩs 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.
Within days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a тАЬthree-way partnershipтАЭ with the CIA and MI6, the UKтАЩs foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including тАЬsecret documents about the Russian Navy,тАЭ leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units."
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia/
Of course the CIA and US military were involved, hitting Russia with impunity and hiding behind Ukrainian cutouts.
What does Russia propose to do about it?
You know the CIA and its Mockingbird Media aka the SEE BS Network keep telling us that the Vlad is a madman.
If that's true , what are we poking the Russian bear?
Luckily , the opposite is true . He is cool, calm and collected.
After Obama's CIA invaded Ukraine in December 2013 , he calmly reminded the EU and the West for 8 - EIGHT LONG YEARS - that the Minsk agreement required Ukraine to be a NEUTRAL BUFFER ZONE
We have Victoria Nuland on tape stating "FUCK THE MINSK I and II Agreements - the US is not a signatory"
EVERYONE - but the CIA and Mitch McConnell's RINO warmonger-neocrazy squad understand that winning a nuclear WW3 would be a pyrrhic victory.
It appears that the brain dead sons of bitches are OK losing 1/2 the US population.
Sad.
It was obvious from the outset that Minsk and Minsk-2 were shams.
That doesn't mean that NATO are stupid. Evil, granted, but not stupid.
It wasnтАЩt so obvious if the EU signed them.
Really? I had it figured out from the start. As had the DNR and LNrlR leadership, who were none too happy about signing.
Pure BS
In 1962 the US demanded that the USSR remove its missiles from Cuba and the Soviet Union demanded that the US remove the ones in Italy.
So what "sham" are we talking about ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Are you suggesting that I didn't recognize that both the Minsk Accords were a sham from the outset?
For that matter, have you not noticed that much has changed in the last 60 years?
imagine the narrative in a week when RF destroys best and last Ukrainian brigadesтАж. it is not over, UA has to run back home or try to keep position
Only successful defence could produce a positive narrative
How likely?
We've been hearing that one for how many years, now?
Do not think UA will be able to keep position in Russia, against a serious counterattack.
RF will have to either fortify the whole length of border or attack across non fortified parts